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hi everyone this is martin willis your

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today it gives me great pleasure to have

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physicist author lecturer stanton t

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friedman if you ever watched any

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documentaries on tv or online about ufos

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you probably have seen stan he's a great

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guy that gives a lot of integrity to

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ufology and i was thrilled to have him

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on this show this is part one of part

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two and part two will be posted sometime

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hi everyone i have the great the one and

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only stanton t friedman online how are

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you doing stan

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very well thank you

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and we're calling you up in uh new

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brunswick yes

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fredericton new brunswick 73 ma from

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beautiful downtown houlton maine oh i do

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know where that is

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that's at the end of nowhere

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i-95 the only quiet fight part of it is

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from blur up to holton right right

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well thanks so much uh for joining us

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it's a real real honor and uh you know

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i've seen about every uh film that

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you've been in that's g-rated i should

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say um and uh you have been in so many

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different documentaries and you've done

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over 700 lectures is that true

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yeah well only in all 50 states 10

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canadian provinces and 18 other

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countries i get around yes yeah

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now uh you became interested in ufos in

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1958 and i read this from your bio and

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began lecturing in 1967 so

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my uh question is what what sparked the

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initial interest i'm cheap i needed one

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more i was ordering books from

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marlborough books in new york mail order

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place the discount books and i needed

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one more book so i wouldn't have to pay

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shipping a dollar

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and there was one the report on

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unidentified flying objects by air force

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captain edward j wells who had been

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headed project blue book

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in the early 50s

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and i figured what the heck it was

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marked down a hardcover book from 295 to

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a dollar which tells you how times have

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and uh

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our contract i was working for general

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electric aircraft nuclear propulsion

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department and it was a joint effort of

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the atomic energy commission in the

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united states air force so they were

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funding half arm work that year we only

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spent a hundred million dollars

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incidentally it wasn't a small program

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we had 3 500 people in whom 1100 were

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engineers and scientists

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so i respected the air force uh second

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the the my mind gene maybe if these

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things are real and i didn't have an

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opinion because i didn't know anything

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that's not popular these days you're

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supposed to have an opinion whether you

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know anything or not you know

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yeah i figured uh if if these things

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were real then maybe they're using

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nuclear energy and that would help our

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program you know and the third was what

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the heck it'd be worth a laugh if

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nothing else if it was really bad and it

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wasn't costing me anything because that

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would have been the shipping cost anyway

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i got the

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i read it i was impressed not thoroughly

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convinced but intrigued and shared it

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with neighbor i was 24 charlie was 10

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years older than i was he was an

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engineer i respected his opinion

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he was more impressed than i was which

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encouraged me to look further and moved

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i set a record i think for working on

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cancelled government sponsored advanced

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research government programs not

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pulpit california had a good librarian

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trash and if i'd read them first

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at the university of california library

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book special report number 14

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and there were a couple of surprises one

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that i'd read it's a little weird

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two it was a huge supply of data more

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than 50 charts tables graphs and maps i

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was in data heaven

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and three

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this press release was with it

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uh i got down dr leon davidson who was

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working at los alamos said managed to

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get a copy of this thing and so issued

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it with the press release

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the secretary of the air force lied

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through his team

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that shook me up i mean working under

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security you sometimes

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actually put a tiptoe around the truth

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so as not to reveal class of that

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but here was the secretary of the

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airport

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saying quote on the basis of this report

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we believe that no objects such as those

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properly described as flying saucers

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have overflown the united states

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even the unknown three percent could

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have been identified as conventional

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phenomena or illusions if more complete

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observational data had been available

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unquote i traveled with that very

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straightforward

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statement it was a total lie loans were

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that's not a round-off of three

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they did a quality evaluation the better

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the quality the more likely to

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identify we're talking about 3201

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cases now we're not talking about it

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does two dozen no thirty two hundred and

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one and they had a rule

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no sighting could be labeled as an

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unknown unless all four of the final

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report evaluators agreed it was an

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really and they asked they asked an

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obvious question

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is there really any difference with all

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between the unknowns the only ones were

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and so they looked at six different

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observable characteristics current size

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what they found was the probability that

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the unknowns were just misknowns

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we missed the boat here someplace was

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now these data somehow got left out of

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and we still hear statements from the

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nasty noisy negativists

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implant that the only reason science

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can't be explained is there wasn't

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enough data they had a separate category

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insufficient information there wasn't

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unknown

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so that report

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shook me up i joined throw in my cap to

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old groups which don't exist anymore

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they get their newsletters

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talked about it at lunch with my brown

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bag buddy scientists

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and you know

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keep up with what was going on with no

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particular attention to go public

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uh you know i had a job i had a security

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clearance a family a mortgage etc

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i moved to indianapolis worked for

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general motors on what turned out to be

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another government-sponsored program

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got to know frank edwards who lived

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there he was a journalist

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he knew everybody radio print and frank

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came out with a new book

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flying saucer serious business he was

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the best seller

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and he sent me a copy

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and by this time i moved to picture to

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work for westinghouse astro nuclear

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laboratory and another big program which

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eventually was canceled

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and i called frank i said frank

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i like the book i want to go public you

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know everybody give me some names and he

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one of them was the producer for radio

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talk show with a girl named contact how

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do you like bang

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and and i was a little surprised the guy

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didn't seem to be interested the don't

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plus we'll call you and i'm surprised

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westinghouse which has several nuclear

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divisions here those were gold-plated

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criticals you know what i mean you go in

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to borrow money how much do you want you

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because you work for westinghou you're

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privileged anyway surprising as it may

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seem the guy called me less than a month

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later at 6 30 could i do the show at

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seven o'clock please

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often wondered how many other calls that

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so i said well yeah sure why not

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that was my first of many appearances on

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kdka pittsburgh it's the biggest station

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and somebody at work at westinghouse

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heard me on the radio

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and it's her book review club was

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reading frank's book

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stan now you think you could give a line

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to my book review club sure why not so

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my first lecture was in her living room

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uh it was very well received i did the

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program many times more and was

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beginning to like this lecture business

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and and one day

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sympathy i'll tell you that's the story

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of my life i'm riding to work i've been

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and westinghouse astro nuclear lab was

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small town called bridge out of town

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and my car was in the garage so i was

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driving in with joanne who had a phd

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from carnegie tech

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supervisor singh house

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and uh we're talking and i said yeah

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might just

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speak it kind of

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says talk to the dean i said well joanna

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i talked to dr so and so

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he wasn't interested she said stan the

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dean's my husband he heard you on the

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radio give him a call

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that's insider so i called gene

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what and oh yeah i'd love to do it so we

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figured out a date it was during the day

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and he finally says

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bottom line uh

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how much do you want

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and knowing i'd have to take some time

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off work i but i was reaching for the

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star they said hundred dollars

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and then as i knew his wife he told me

283
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what he was playing the other speakers

284
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in the series fifteen hundred dean

285
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oh no

286
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well

287
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i i learned an important piece of

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information

289
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because

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i spoke it went extremely well we had a

291
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great crowd

292
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and he was kind enough to send a very

293
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nice letter to the agent through whom he

294
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had booked the other speakers

295
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and that guy booked me at a milestone

296
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talk for me

297
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uh

298
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he i was working full time at

299
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westinghouse

300
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nuclear rockets they booked me at the

301
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hearing society of detroit

302
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uh

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300

304
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expenses wow

305
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uh

306
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you know so i go up

307
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it turns out they were sold out three

308
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weeks in advance for a thousand and

309
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eight people for dinner and a talk

310
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and there wasn't one there wasn't one

311
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negative question

312
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now nobody could say the engineering

313
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society of detroit is a bunch of not

314
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oopsie quacks or anything like that

315
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they're pretty down-to-earth guys up

316
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there

317
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so that's inspired me to do a lot more

318
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speaking

319
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and finally i go to my boss and i say

320
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look uh i'd really like to do more left

321
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on the other hand i have a wife a child

322
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a mortgage a clearance so i don't want

323
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to endanger anything

324
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i need some ground rules what can i do

325
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what i do

326
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so he goes to his boss and he comes back

327
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with some rules

328
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first

329
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you can say whatever you please on your

330
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time

331
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you can identify yourself as a

332
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westinghouse nuclear physicist

333
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third we'd like you to start with the

334
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disclaimer that says the views you're

335
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about to hear are mine and mine alone

336
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and not the employer

337
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now who could ask you anything more

338
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well i did ask

339
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more because i got a call from

340
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a colleague at los alamos national

341
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laboratory they were building nuclear

342
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rockets as well

343
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and we'd had contact about building

344
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critical rockets pretty esoteric but

345
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and uh he said glenn says

346
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stan how about speaking to our local

347
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section of our american nuclear society

348
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well i was a member of the american

349
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nucleus i said sure now i mean i'm an

350
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expense account stand

351
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whoopsie

352
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i'm in pittsburgh he's in new mexico

353
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i say i don't make those decisions

354
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glenna i talked to my boss and he talked

355
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to his

356
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who fortunately had heard me

357
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speak to a joint meeting of uh

358
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aiaa and ieee two engineering groups

359
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society was a full house and no negative

360
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questions and everything

361
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and they said yes so believe it or not

362
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i went to los alamos on an expense

363
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account for the explicit purpose

364
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of giving a lecture flying saucers are

365
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real

366
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the los alamos section of the american

367
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nuclear society we had 500 people uh

368
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again no negative questions

369
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no secrecy in other words i didn't say

370
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oh i'm going on a trip to talk about

371
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radiation shielding no i was

372
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going to give a talk

373
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the enthusiastic response of my

374
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professional colleagues

375
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really got me going and when the bottom

376
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fell out of the advanced nuclear and

377
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space systems but sometimes it did

378
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i went full time

379
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and i've been at it ever since

380
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when i retired but maybe when i get to

381
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be 80 i don't know

382
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now have did you ever get any ridicule

383
00:14:48,629 --> 00:14:45,920
from fellow employees at all

384
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no uh as a matter of fact it was the

385
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enthusiasm of the professional people

386
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and i've given over 700 lectures as i

387
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mentioned and i've only had 11 hectares

388
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and two of them were drunk yeah

389
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and

390
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one

391
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just to illustrate was at the

392
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gulf research labs in pittsburgh

393
00:15:10,949 --> 00:15:09,519
and it corrupts me three times i said

394
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i'll talk about that later you know once

395
00:15:14,470 --> 00:15:12,480
to talk about this i've talked about

396
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that finally the boss which is a dinner

397
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and a talk whose boss is sitting next to

398
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me says hey when i'm finished

399
00:15:24,710 --> 00:15:22,560
so i finish and i turn to him

400
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and he says well i'm sure what could

401
00:15:28,629 --> 00:15:26,399
come to different conclusions than the

402
00:15:31,269 --> 00:15:28,639
ones you've come to

403
00:15:33,030 --> 00:15:31,279
so what i said look as i recall you

404
00:15:35,350 --> 00:15:33,040
hadn't read any of those five

405
00:15:36,310 --> 00:15:35,360
large-scale scientific studies that i

406
00:15:38,629 --> 00:15:36,320
mentioned

407
00:15:41,110 --> 00:15:38,639
i describe this study show a slide tell

408
00:15:42,870 --> 00:15:41,120
people what's in it and i casually ask

409
00:15:45,990 --> 00:15:42,880
how many of you have read it

410
00:15:47,749 --> 00:15:46,000
and i really get two percent overwritten

411
00:15:49,189 --> 00:15:47,759
and i said as i recall you hadn't read

412
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any of those right

413
00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:50,800
well yes

414
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well that's the difference between this

415
00:15:56,710 --> 00:15:55,120
isn't it i give you my conclusions i

416
00:15:59,189 --> 00:15:56,720
give you the sources of evidence on

417
00:16:01,030 --> 00:15:59,199
which i base my conclusions you have

418
00:16:02,550 --> 00:16:01,040
read none of them whose opinion is

419
00:16:06,550 --> 00:16:02,560
reward

420
00:16:10,949 --> 00:16:09,030
so no i uh

421
00:16:12,310 --> 00:16:10,959
it hasn't been a problem i'm told you'll

422
00:16:13,670 --> 00:16:12,320
get more hectors than that in that

423
00:16:16,470 --> 00:16:13,680
number of lectures if you talk about

424
00:16:18,790 --> 00:16:16,480
sports religion politics whatever oh i'm

425
00:16:21,590 --> 00:16:18,800
sure yeah you know what happens

426
00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:21,600
sometimes is people will reveal their

427
00:16:25,829 --> 00:16:24,000
interests that they hadn't told me about

428
00:16:27,269 --> 00:16:25,839
i remember two guys coming to my lecture

429
00:16:28,949 --> 00:16:27,279
and they were talking to each other i

430
00:16:30,470 --> 00:16:28,959
didn't know you weren't joel i didn't

431
00:16:32,629 --> 00:16:30,480
know you were interested bill i've been

432
00:16:35,590 --> 00:16:32,639
a member of nycat for years

433
00:16:38,230 --> 00:16:35,600
they hadn't talked for a ridicule

434
00:16:40,629 --> 00:16:38,240
and i i know that that's very important

435
00:16:42,550 --> 00:16:40,639
because at the end of my lectures i

436
00:16:44,949 --> 00:16:42,560
normally ask

437
00:16:46,870 --> 00:16:44,959
i'll say look i get the first question

438
00:16:48,150 --> 00:16:46,880
how many of you believe that you have

439
00:16:50,790 --> 00:16:48,160
seen

440
00:16:54,150 --> 00:16:50,800
what i would consider to be a flying

441
00:16:56,629 --> 00:16:54,160
saucer i'd define my terms earlier on

442
00:16:57,749 --> 00:16:56,639
and we didn't want the cia and it's okay

443
00:16:59,509 --> 00:16:57,759
i'll make a little joke i'm just going

444
00:17:01,590 --> 00:16:59,519
to point and count

445
00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:01,600
and i do that the hands go up very

446
00:17:05,350 --> 00:17:04,000
reluctantly they know i'm not gonna land

447
00:17:07,510 --> 00:17:05,360
they're not sure about everybody else

448
00:17:09,110 --> 00:17:07,520
you know so i point and count one two

449
00:17:10,710 --> 00:17:09,120
three four five by the time i get the

450
00:17:12,789 --> 00:17:10,720
other side of the hall the hands go up

451
00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:12,799
vigorously each one thought he was the

452
00:17:17,029 --> 00:17:15,839
only one you know yeah fine it turns out

453
00:17:19,110 --> 00:17:17,039
about 10

454
00:17:21,590 --> 00:17:19,120
believe they've seen one but then i

455
00:17:22,710 --> 00:17:21,600
asked how many of you reported what you

456
00:17:25,270 --> 00:17:22,720
saw

457
00:17:27,990 --> 00:17:25,280
90 of the hands go down

458
00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:28,000
and there's any left i'll say uh how

459
00:17:30,870 --> 00:17:29,600
many of you were in the military at the

460
00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:30,880
time

461
00:17:34,789 --> 00:17:33,039
still anybody left i'll just stick my

462
00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:34,799
neck out and say you want to tell us

463
00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:37,600
about it one guy in front of 300 people

464
00:17:42,630 --> 00:17:39,440
had a great line he said i can't they

465
00:17:43,909 --> 00:17:42,640
told me not to say anything

466
00:17:47,510 --> 00:17:43,919
another guy said

467
00:17:49,350 --> 00:17:47,520
they took my pictures and he stopped

468
00:17:51,190 --> 00:17:49,360
so i waited a moment i said look uh

469
00:17:52,470 --> 00:17:51,200
we're not asking i'm not asking to stand

470
00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:52,480
up i'm

471
00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:54,000
asking for identification stuff but i'm

472
00:17:57,750 --> 00:17:55,360
sure the audience would like to hear the

473
00:18:00,470 --> 00:17:57,760
rest of the story he remained seated the

474
00:18:02,390 --> 00:18:00,480
people clapped he remains seated flying

475
00:18:04,070 --> 00:18:02,400
a four-engine airplane for the air force

476
00:18:07,110 --> 00:18:04,080
out of pacific

477
00:18:08,950 --> 00:18:07,120
daytime gets a call on the radio plane

478
00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:08,960
20 miles ahead of them

479
00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:10,960
flying saucer heading your way they had

480
00:18:15,110 --> 00:18:13,280
gun cameras they took pictures

481
00:18:16,789 --> 00:18:15,120
of the base to which they were flying to

482
00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:16,799
let them know that they had intelligent

483
00:18:20,710 --> 00:18:18,720
stuff the crew doesn't handle it

484
00:18:23,190 --> 00:18:20,720
that's special stuff

485
00:18:25,029 --> 00:18:23,200
uh they land the film gets taken they

486
00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:25,039
get briefed and told never to say

487
00:18:28,150 --> 00:18:26,320
anything

488
00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:28,160
and i'm sure there wasn't anybody in

489
00:18:31,990 --> 00:18:29,760
that room who didn't believe that this

490
00:18:34,950 --> 00:18:32,000
guy was telling the truth i mean right

491
00:18:39,350 --> 00:18:34,960
he was not looking for pr or anything

492
00:18:40,549 --> 00:18:39,360
so what i found is i am not a masochist

493
00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:40,559
there's a whole chapter in my book

494
00:18:44,230 --> 00:18:42,480
flying saucers in science about public

495
00:18:46,789 --> 00:18:44,240
opinion polls

496
00:18:49,110 --> 00:18:46,799
and then where's the non-believers

497
00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:49,120
and so people say to me you must get it

498
00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:50,240
hard

499
00:18:56,070 --> 00:18:54,000
said no they don't

500
00:18:56,950 --> 00:18:56,080
i come on very strong no question about

501
00:18:59,510 --> 00:18:56,960
it but

502
00:19:01,590 --> 00:18:59,520
what i find is that people are shocked

503
00:19:04,070 --> 00:19:01,600
by the data because nobody's told it's

504
00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:04,080
on me right like that data from book

505
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:06,000
special report 14.

506
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:08,160
and furthermore what they really want to

507
00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:09,120
know

508
00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:11,919
is the why questions okay it's clear

509
00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:14,880
that these things are real as you say

510
00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:17,120
why the cover-up why would aliens come

511
00:19:21,270 --> 00:19:18,960
here anyway why don't they land on the

512
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:21,280
white house smart you know

513
00:19:25,350 --> 00:19:23,440
these sorts of questions and let's face

514
00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:25,360
it when you've been asked questions like

515
00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:27,520
that you get to thinking about them and

516
00:19:29,909 --> 00:19:28,320
so

517
00:19:31,350 --> 00:19:29,919
you can't say well i'll

518
00:19:33,110 --> 00:19:31,360
i'll give that some thought actually

519
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:33,120
tomorrow not when you're in front of two

520
00:19:36,789 --> 00:19:34,400
thousand people

521
00:19:38,950 --> 00:19:36,799
at a big other time and i've spoken to

522
00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:38,960
as many as 2000.

523
00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:42,400
so that uh i find that people really are

524
00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:45,120
curious they're ready to accept

525
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:48,880
now occasionally uh the one you asked

526
00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:50,880
about a professional

527
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:56,310
college in new york state

528
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:57,600
guy gets up

529
00:20:00,310 --> 00:19:58,960
in the question-and-answer period and

530
00:20:02,310 --> 00:20:00,320
there's no written questions right in

531
00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:02,320
the first guy that raises his hand gets

532
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:05,039
to ask if i call on and he said

533
00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:06,720
great way to start he says i've never

534
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:10,159
heard so much nonsense night in my life

535
00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:12,720
great way to start so fortunately i had

536
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:14,320
a good answer i couldn't have told you

537
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:15,520
what it would be if you'd ask me in

538
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:17,280
advance i said can you be a bit more

539
00:20:21,669 --> 00:20:19,360
specific please

540
00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:21,679
well you said that betty and barney hill

541
00:20:25,590 --> 00:20:24,240
were taken to zeta reticuline back in

542
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:25,600
two hours

543
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:27,840
i said no sir what i said was they were

544
00:20:32,789 --> 00:20:30,240
taken on board a craft for two hours

545
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:32,799
they didn't go anywhere

546
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:35,360
it gives me a second expert you said

547
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:38,880
that equally nonsensical so i corrected

548
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:41,200
them and only the fourth one and finally

549
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:43,200
somebody else in the audience's audience

550
00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:45,039
shouts out how about taking some sense

551
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:49,110
this guy gets up

552
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:51,520
walks out well

553
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:52,960
it wasn't drunk

554
00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:54,400
uh

555
00:20:58,950 --> 00:20:57,440
and i said i'll answer but who was that

556
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:58,960
obviously i'd gotten under his skin he

557
00:21:02,549 --> 00:21:00,880
was a professor of physics

558
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:02,559
oh really i didn't hear what i had to

559
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:04,880
say at all you know you expected me to

560
00:21:09,510 --> 00:21:07,520
say some things and and yeah there are

561
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:09,520
occasions uh i

562
00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:11,760
get a lot of uh afternoon talks on

563
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:13,520
campus you know physics seminars and

564
00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:14,799
stuff like that

565
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:16,240
and once in a while one of the students

566
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:18,000
will tell me you know dr jones thinks

567
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:20,720
this is a much of a way so i make a

568
00:21:25,110 --> 00:21:22,640
habit

569
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:25,120
sneaky i guess i'll think about things

570
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,320
that i'm almost certain they don't know

571
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:28,320
anything about i'll describe the nuclear

572
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:30,000
rocket engine and you're all familiar

573
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:32,240
with it's aren't you and nobody is of

574
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:33,760
course and i'll get into the

575
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:36,240
electromagnetic submarine and physics

576
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:37,760
topics

577
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:40,159
and then i set them up i said

578
00:21:44,549 --> 00:21:41,440
uh

579
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:44,559
what's the numerical value of one g as

580
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:47,200
in one g acceleration

581
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:49,200
everybody says 9.8 meters per second

582
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:51,600
squared i said well that's right but we

583
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:54,880
don't measure anything else that way

584
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:58,320
what units can you use that would

585
00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:00,880
it was like i was talking swahili

586
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,320
so i said

587
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:05,039
well 1g acceleration is 21 miles per

588
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:07,039
hour per second

589
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:08,880
so if you've got a car accelerating at

590
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:11,200
1g at the end of 3 seconds it's going 63

591
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:12,480
miles an hour

592
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:14,159
that's a pretty hot car because usually

593
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:15,919
it takes four or five seconds to get to

594
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:17,120
60.

595
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:18,640
and then i say what's the value of the

596
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:21,039
speed of light 300 kilometers a second i

597
00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:22,640
said again we don't

598
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:24,159
use that

599
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:26,720
those units for anything else

600
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:28,080
and

601
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:31,200
670 million miles an hour

602
00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:32,960
is the speed of light

603
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:35,360
in rational units

604
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:36,640
and uh

605
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:37,679
and i say

606
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:40,080
the next question is a multiple choice

607
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:41,520
question you don't

608
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:43,919
need to do any calculations

609
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:46,799
how long does it take 1g to get to the

610
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:48,640
speed of light

611
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,240
it's a multiple choice question in a

612
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:52,799
thousand years 100 years 10 years or one

613
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:54,720
year how many think it's a thousand and

614
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:56,240
go down the line

615
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:57,360
there are plenty to think it's a

616
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:00,400
thousand or a hundred or ten

617
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:02,640
some we think it's one and it is one

618
00:23:07,750 --> 00:23:04,640
only one well

619
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:07,760
but the whole point of this exercise is

620
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:09,919
to get people to look at the world in a

621
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:12,480
way which allows them as a perspective

622
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,799
about all this stuff

623
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,480
you know if it took a thousand years to

624
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:18,480
get to the zone it sounds like a

625
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:21,200
difficult trip to say the least

626
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:22,799
but one year

627
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:25,520
we've had guys in space for six months

628
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:27,360
you know jesuit only takes six months to

629
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:30,240
get close to the speed of light so uh

630
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:33,120
i i do try to stall the idiotic

631
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:35,360
questions uh

632
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:36,559
and uh

633
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:39,280
there aren't many so what i'm i i

634
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:42,159
surprised a a newspaper group the

635
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:44,159
chairman of it here in canada they were

636
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:45,520
having a meeting in saint john new

637
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,640
brunswick which is 60 miles away

638
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:50,880
hey stan i heard you on radio the other

639
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:54,400
day uh could you speak to our group

640
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:56,000
sure

641
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:57,039
well

642
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:58,960
he sent me a letter never seen so many

643
00:24:01,590 --> 00:24:00,559
newsmen change their minds about

644
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:01,600
something

645
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:04,880
as rapidly as they did they just hadn't

646
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,070
and so

647
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:12,720
i i figure i've got a winner

648
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:15,840
uh you know i've been entering since 67

649
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:18,480
so what's that 45 years

650
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:19,919
uh

651
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:27,110
so i don't worry i do give advice to

652
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,880
people who say they want to

653
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:30,320
start speaking and stuff i said look

654
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:31,760
there are a couple of rules

655
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,159
never lie

656
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,480
and be prepared do your homework before

657
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:38,480
you go out there yeah i've noticed that

658
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:40,799
on a couple of debates with you i wanted

659
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:43,200
to talk to you about but one of the

660
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:44,480
things

661
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:45,279
that

662
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:47,440
i was uh i changed my mind about a

663
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:50,880
person on was i i watched the larry king

664
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:52,000
um

665
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:54,159
when the bill nye the science guy was

666
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:56,080
there and i i

667
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:58,240
i walked in when my son was watching i

668
00:25:01,830 --> 00:24:59,840
thought oh that guy's great and then i i

669
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:01,840
watched him on that and i think what

670
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:03,679
i got to say that guy was an a-hole to

671
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:05,360
you to you know

672
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:07,600
everybody i just i just couldn't believe

673
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:10,159
it well he was and you know if one of

674
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:12,320
the crazy things on that show he brings

675
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:14,000
out a diamond that's got one line

676
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:15,279
blacked out

677
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,880
he said these guys say that there's a

678
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:18,640
cover up there's no cover that's just

679
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,360
personal information where the guy lives

680
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:23,520
and i fortunately had my book with me

681
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:25,279
and i pulled and managed to turn to the

682
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:28,480
page that has a cia ufo document

683
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:30,880
there which is all blacked out after six

684
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:32,080
words

685
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:34,320
and i said uh

686
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:37,440
that's not the way it is

687
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:40,000
it took me five years to get the cia top

688
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:43,200
secret cover ufo document

689
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:44,480
and it's

690
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:47,600
almost all blacked out i've got 186 nsa

691
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:50,720
ufo documents so i'll light it out

692
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:52,960
there is cover-up i was just looking at

693
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:54,720
the book and i can turn to that page

694
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:58,159
real quickly you know but yeah he so on

695
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:00,080
one of his shows uh

696
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:02,799
said that the uh 10 missiles the minimum

697
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:04,640
missiles that went down that was just a

698
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:07,039
power failure up at mount from air force

699
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:10,000
yeah it's true redundant for cards

700
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:11,279
that's right i think

701
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:12,159
you know

702
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:14,320
somebody kicked the extension cord you

703
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:15,520
know

704
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,200
you couldn't do that if you tried you

705
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:19,279
know no one could do that if they tried

706
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:20,400
really

707
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:23,120
and another example he said roswell was

708
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:25,279
a skyhook balloon

709
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:27,360
well and the first i tried this was not

710
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,799
on the year

711
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,720
uh that's the way it was

712
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,480
well it turned out no sky hooks were

713
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:34,320
launched at the time or had been

714
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:35,919
launched the time around well secondly

715
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,679
they these huge polyethylene balloons

716
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:41,600
uh big uh

717
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:43,279
teardrop shaped balloons you know

718
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,559
gigantic

719
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:46,799
well the roswell balloons even if you

720
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:50,400
believe the air force or small standard

721
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:52,080
balloons that you could buy at a plus

722
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:53,919
store these days so you know a few feet

723
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:56,320
in diameter there were neoprene balloons

724
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:57,520
and as a matter of fact when they're out

725
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:59,200
in the sunlight and it gets pretty hot

726
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:00,799
in new mexico

727
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,720
they turn to dust practically in a

728
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:04,240
couple of weeks

729
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:06,559
uh polyethylene is much more resistant

730
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:08,559
as it happens but i mean this was bill

731
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:10,880
nye the science guy and

732
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:14,400
i got a note from his ex-wife

733
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:16,320
is saying that you know he probably

734
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:17,919
spent at least five minutes on the

735
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:19,760
internet before doing that program that

736
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:21,919
was amazing

737
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:24,000
that's perfect yeah

738
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:25,600
well you know i did larry king four

739
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,000
times can't do him but because he

740
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:30,799
doesn't ever show anymore it isn't fair

741
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:33,039
yeah no it was great i was so glad that

742
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:34,399
he was doing that

743
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:36,880
speaking of roswell you were the first

744
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:39,760
one basically investigating that

745
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:41,679
and there's some great people working on

746
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:43,279
it now um

747
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:45,039
we had a guest formally and he'll be

748
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:47,679
back don schmidt tom carrey what's your

749
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:49,039
opinion on that do you think the truth

750
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,720
will ever be revealed

751
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:52,720
or would it have to be the government

752
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:55,200
that comes through and admits

753
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:57,760
obviously most original witnesses are

754
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:00,080
dead right you know we're talking

755
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:03,520
seven uh it may be as a result of

756
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:05,520
something else entirely

757
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:08,480
a hollywood company stellar productions

758
00:28:13,630 --> 00:28:09,279
has

759
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,640
optioned for me a movie top secret magic

760
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:15,360
mhaic

761
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:18,720
my book top secret magic

762
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:20,960
and don schmidt and tom carey's book

763
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:23,120
witness to roswell

764
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:25,840
the idea would be to make a dynamic sort

765
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:28,080
of documentary

766
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:31,200
the ups and the ufo research

767
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:33,279
partnerships that break up and things

768
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:35,840
that go wrong and stuff like that

769
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:38,480
and the screenplay has been written

770
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:39,520
and

771
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:41,360
now the point is to find somebody with a

772
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:44,640
few million dollars he wants to spend

773
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:47,440
to make the movie the in charge while

774
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:49,600
there are two guys the joint producers

775
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:50,640
would be

776
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:53,200
bryce abel who's the hollywood mogul if

777
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:55,200
you will president one of the unions and

778
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:56,480
stuff

779
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:00,960
and donnie moe remember from happy days

780
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,880
yup he's into film production too and so

781
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,000
uh

782
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:08,640
we hope that the movie

783
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:10,000
would be you know like all the

784
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:12,159
president's men

785
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:14,480
you know a little jfk thrown in for a

786
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:16,240
fact but uh

787
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:17,360
uh

788
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,399
the good the bad the ugly and so i hate

789
00:29:27,070 --> 00:29:22,799
to admit it with my name on five books

790
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,870
www.stantonfreeman.com

791
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:30,720
uh more people

792
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:32,720
watch movies read books

793
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,720
yes terrible thing to say but it's true

794
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:36,799
unfortunately

795
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:37,600
so

796
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:38,720
uh

797
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:42,159
that movie could produce

798
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:43,440
you know a real

799
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:45,360
feedback now there's a second movie that

800
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:47,440
just been optioned i signed the contract

801
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:49,039
on saturday

802
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:51,360
uh for the move for the book captured

803
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,799
the betty and barney hill you will

804
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:54,960
experience by myself and kathleen martin

805
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:57,200
betty's niece who did most of the work

806
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:58,320
on the book

807
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:01,200
and the same outfit and so

808
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:03,679
you know we can have a dynamic duo of

809
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:06,880
movies that shake up the world

810
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,799
who knows yeah i would say all around

811
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:10,799
when they get made

812
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:13,360
me too i grew up in the portsmouth new

813
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:16,720
hampshire area um now they

814
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,039
what was the original film that they did

815
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:21,600
on that that was back in the 70s or

816
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:23,279
something

817
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:26,480
there was a movie in 1975

818
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:27,440
uh

819
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:30,559
that universal studios did for nbc

820
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:32,640
starring james earl jones that's right

821
00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:35,679
yeah and estelle parsons and

822
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:40,870
and i was a consultant on that movie i

823
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:42,559
was living in southern california would

824
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:44,159
you believe that i got my name from the

825
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:46,640
air force wow

826
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,399
i think funny

827
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:50,640
so my name's earl jones and was at the

828
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:53,520
set and so forth and it wasn't a bad job

829
00:31:00,389 --> 00:30:56,960
now our book uh captured

830
00:31:02,310 --> 00:31:00,399
uh really focuses on what went on after

831
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:02,320
the first book came out how betty's life

832
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:04,880
was changed in barney's life he didn't

833
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:07,120
live very long after that

834
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:09,760
she went through some ups and downs

835
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:14,240
seeing ufos everywhere and then nowhere

836
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:17,200
and kathleen was very close to her

837
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,960
she had a really close connection to the

838
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:20,399
story

839
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:23,039
the day after it happened betty called

840
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:25,440
her sister

841
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:26,960
kathleen's mother

842
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:29,200
not too far away in new hampshire and

843
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:30,960
told her all about the case and kathleen

844
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:33,039
was in the room

845
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:34,559
and uh

846
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:36,880
a few days later the family went down to

847
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:38,480
see betty and barney

848
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:40,320
kathleen saw the car with the strange

849
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:43,360
spots that reacted to a compass being

850
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:44,720
placed near them

851
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:46,960
and so you know she kathleen went

852
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:48,720
through ups and downs about her views

853
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:50,480
about the case she was only a teenager

854
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:51,840
at the time

855
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:53,760
but in the last several years of betty's

856
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:56,000
life but he's been gone now for several

857
00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:57,039
years

858
00:32:02,149 --> 00:31:59,840
uh kathleen wanted to check to see

859
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:02,159
what's his story true or not

860
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:04,399
so she transcribed all the hypnosis

861
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:07,440
tapes which she owns incidentally she's

862
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:10,640
a custodian of betty's estate

863
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:11,519
their

864
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,159
university of new hampshire library

865
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,799
has a whole section

866
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:18,480
that's a repository for a lot of the

867
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:21,279
hill materials

868
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:24,480
and so very careful effort to find out

869
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:26,399
what's going on

870
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:29,360
and uh i was very impressed with all the

871
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,960
work she did and

872
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:32,640
she came to me partly because i was the

873
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:34,640
first guy to publish the star map but

874
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:36,559
betty had once said if there's one guy

875
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:38,159
you can trust it's stan friedman because

876
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,480
i've met with betty several times

877
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:42,720
i've done television shows been in her

878
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:45,120
house and so forth so kathleen and i

879
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:48,399
wound up doing this book and uh

880
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:49,200
uh

881
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:51,519
we've had a good response to it i just

882
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:53,039
found out the

883
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,240
the ebook version has sold 12 000 copies

884
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,559
in a very short time which

885
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:00,480
will make more money from that for sure

886
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:02,880
than from

887
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:05,200
yeah that's that's great

888
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:08,640
well you know ufos are a funny subject

889
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:11,200
uh libraries will tell you i i've been

890
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:12,720
told this anyway that it's one of the

891
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:14,799
subjects they can't keep the books on

892
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:16,240
the shelf

893
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:18,080
and i remember a school librarian told

894
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:19,679
me that i said what's the other one she

895
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:20,880
said sex

896
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:22,159
and

897
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:25,840
kicker is both subjects are ones that

898
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:27,279
it's hard for you to talk to somebody

899
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:29,200
about

900
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:33,519
teenager uh and so forth so

901
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:34,480
uh

902
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,080
we know and

903
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:38,399
i always confound people who bring me in

904
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:39,919
to speak

905
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:41,200
uh

906
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:42,480
because they'll say well there's not

907
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:44,799
many people interested in this stand you

908
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,799
know i don't think so i've given them

909
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:48,480
instructions on how to publicize my

910
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:49,919
lectures and

911
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:52,320
they're always astounded we have full

912
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:54,320
houses i've had 2 000 people in a

913
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:55,519
lecture

914
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:56,559
yeah and

915
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:58,559
people have sent me letters saying it's

916
00:34:01,909 --> 00:34:00,080
the biggest crowd we've had for this

917
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:01,919
kind of a presentation

918
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:03,760
because you see if it's sponsored by a

919
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:04,960
university

920
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:06,240
and if they have highlighted my

921
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:08,639
background working for ge gm

922
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:10,960
westinghouse et cetera

923
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:13,200
well he can't be a nut can he i suppose

924
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:14,960
i could be but

925
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,200
at least people presume that and the

926
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:19,440
thing that the campuses find

927
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,960
is to get so many people from off campus

928
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:24,800
to come to my lecture

929
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:27,119
uh so you know i know the interest is

930
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:28,960
out there and

931
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:32,159
uh you know how do you tap into it well

932
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:35,679
a movie might do it and you know

933
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:37,200
if anybody put

934
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:38,879
you know half the money that went into

935
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:41,040
blowing the lid off the political water

936
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:42,000
date

937
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:42,879
into

938
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:44,800
blowing the lid off the cosmic water

939
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:47,679
gate you can do it in a year

940
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:50,399
and what what people don't realize is

941
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:54,000
the press hasn't been doing its job

942
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:56,079
for example i know of no major

943
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:58,160
publication that is focused on the words

944
00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:00,720
of general carol bolinder

945
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:02,240
he was an air force general who got

946
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:04,640
asked in the summer of 69

947
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,400
what should we do about project blue

948
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:08,480
book because the colorado study the

949
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,160
continent reported recommended it be

950
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,720
closed earlier that year

951
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:14,240
and the air force

952
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:15,200
needed

953
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:16,560
an opinion from somebody wasn't

954
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:18,240
connected with it you know and now

955
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:19,920
general bolander was an engineer who

956
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:22,640
worked on the lunar excursion module

957
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:25,040
and we landed on the moon successfully

958
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:26,480
and as he told me when i spoke to him

959
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,920
years later

960
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:29,040
uh

961
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:32,320
no more 12-hour days thank goodness

962
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:35,040
anyway he wrote a memo which wound up

963
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:37,760
closing project little book at the end

964
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:40,560
of 69 and in this memo which we didn't

965
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:42,400
see for 10 years

966
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:45,839
i got it almost by somebody who made a

967
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:47,839
big request under freedom of information

968
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:49,599
got a whole bunch of stuff and this was

969
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:50,720
there

970
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:54,720
anyway in it he says reports of ufos

971
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:57,440
which could affect national security

972
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:00,240
are made in accordance with j-neck joint

973
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:03,520
primary navy air force publication 146

974
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:06,880
or air force manual 55-11

975
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:08,880
and are not

976
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:11,200
part of the blue book

977
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:12,480
system

978
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:15,119
two paragraphs later he says

979
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:17,200
if we close project blue book the public

980
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:18,800
won't have a place to report sightings

981
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:21,599
however as previously noted reports

982
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:23,920
which could affect national security

983
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:26,079
will continue to be investigated using

984
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,880
the procedures establishing that purpose

985
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:30,720
now that's remarkable because the

986
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:32,560
airports have been saying for umpteen

987
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:34,240
years that blue book was the only group

988
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,640
that was concerned with ufos well i

989
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:38,880
managed to locate uh when i got a copy

990
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:41,920
of this memo to locate general bolander

991
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:43,599
and i said gee you know i told them i'd

992
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,560
had a security clearance and so forth

993
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:48,160
and i said it sounds like you were

994
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:50,079
saying that there were two separate

995
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:52,720
communication channels yes

996
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:54,560
in other words if the saucer goes down

997
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:56,720
the runway at a strategic command base

998
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:57,920
where nuclear weapons are destroyed

999
00:37:01,349 --> 00:37:00,000
that's a national security problem

1000
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:01,359
absolutely if you and i go out at the

1001
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:03,119
end of my driveway and fight through the

1002
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:05,680
snow and see a saucer going over

1003
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:07,920
yeah it happens everywhere all the time

1004
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:10,640
no big deal that mufon a mutual ufo

1005
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:12,160
network incidentally

1006
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:14,079
has for over a year been getting over

1007
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:16,960
600 citing reports a month

1008
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:19,280
wow a month that's amazing i get people

1009
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:20,240
saying

1010
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,920
i haven't heard anything about ufo

1011
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:23,280
sightings recently well they've been

1012
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:26,320
going on you know yeah so what i'm

1013
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:30,079
saying is what molinder alone said

1014
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:32,480
it is a major statement because if you

1015
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:34,079
read what the airport sends out to

1016
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:35,200
people

1017
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:36,960
you know we close project blue book we

1018
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:38,320
have no connection with it there's no

1019
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:41,599
national security problem blah blah blah

1020
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:44,800
well uh and i'll tell you that no

1021
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:47,680
sighting report evaluated investigated

1022
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:49,760
collected by the united states air force

1023
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:51,440
gives any evidence of being a threat to

1024
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:54,480
the security of the united states

1025
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:56,000
well what if any of those three

1026
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:58,880
functions were done by somebody else

1027
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:00,720
and it would still be a true but not

1028
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:03,520
meaningful statement

1029
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:04,800
they say there's no evidence of

1030
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:07,760
technology beyond our knowledge well no

1031
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:09,760
of course not i've worked on fusion

1032
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:11,760
propulsion systems and has studied their

1033
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:13,839
road that will get us to the stars

1034
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:16,480
worked on fishing rockets incredibly

1035
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:18,560
powerful little monsters

1036
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:21,200
uh you know we know about technology

1037
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:23,440
that doesn't mean we've built them yet

1038
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:24,400
you know

1039
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:25,359
so

1040
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:27,920
it doesn't take long

1041
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,880
for a major

1042
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:32,400
media group

1043
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:34,560
if they want to dig into this and

1044
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:35,920
it's it's one of the things we hope

1045
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:37,599
comes out of the uh

1046
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:40,240
the movie magic men

1047
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:42,880
uh maj i see

1048
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:43,760
uh

1049
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,640
and you know finding people with guts

1050
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:48,720
enough is the problem i need to tell you

1051
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:51,359
the press is in trouble and prick media

1052
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:53,200
oh yes and it's dead

1053
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,520
the internet and all the other things

1054
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:57,119
going on so they don't have much money

1055
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:58,079
for

1056
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:00,079
investigative journalism other than

1057
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,040
looking at other sites on the internet

1058
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:05,040
much of which is garbage

1059
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:05,920
but

1060
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:09,280
it's not that big a deal and i think

1061
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:10,560
frankly

1062
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:13,440
if we were to make an all-out effort

1063
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:17,680
for example to get amnesty for those who

1064
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:20,240
learned about ufo stuff while working

1065
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,760
under security

1066
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:23,520
i mean maybe say you go back it had to

1067
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:25,920
be more than 25 years ago something like

1068
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:28,720
that it'd be flooded with reports oh

1069
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:30,640
yeah there are some people saying that

1070
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:32,560
oh the secretary of the air force sheila

1071
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:34,960
whitnall said anybody could talk about

1072
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:37,200
roswell no she didn't

1073
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:40,560
what she said was that anybody who

1074
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:42,560
thought what they learned was classified

1075
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:44,960
could talk to colonel weber about it he

1076
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:47,359
wrote that first report

1077
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:49,359
the roswell

1078
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:50,880
report

1079
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:53,440
truth versus fiction in the new mexico

1080
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:55,599
desert he provided the fiction

1081
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:57,359
unfortunately

1082
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:58,640
she said

1083
00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:00,560
that they could talk to him because he

1084
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:02,079
had clearance

1085
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:04,560
for all the uh special

1086
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:06,240
clearance programs

1087
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:08,079
he didn't say she didn't say they could

1088
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,240
talk to anybody else so that would be

1089
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,200
one step and also have a collective a

1090
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:15,200
central collection point

1091
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:16,720
uh when i'm living in southern

1092
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:19,200
california i get a call one the monday

1093
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:20,880
night about something seen sunday night

1094
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,839
a red light over

1095
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:26,160
populated area about nine o'clock on

1096
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:27,760
sunday i mean it should be a lot of

1097
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:30,000
people around beautiful weather

1098
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:31,760
uh i didn't think too much of what what

1099
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,960
am i gonna do with a red light in the

1100
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:34,800
sky well i get another call the next

1101
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:35,839
night

1102
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:37,440
from somebody who'd seen a red light in

1103
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,280
the sky same time looking from a

1104
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:41,520
different direction i thought well

1105
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:43,280
let's do something about this or i

1106
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:45,119
called the local paper

1107
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:47,280
and i said you know i'd like to

1108
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,359
have a letter in there saying people can

1109
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:51,359
send me their information stuff oh sure

1110
00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:53,119
send us a letter so i did give them a

1111
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:56,319
telephone number post office box uh

1112
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:59,040
you know no email back then and uh

1113
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,880
witness names won't be used without

1114
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:02,400
permission

1115
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:04,000
anybody else who saw and i didn't give a

1116
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:06,000
lot of details

1117
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:10,160
i got 30 responses by phone or by litter

1118
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,720
and people were so relieved and many of

1119
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:14,240
them were with a lot of other people

1120
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:15,760
they tried to call

1121
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:19,200
they call the cops what are you drinking

1122
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:21,760
standard lady right yeah and one of

1123
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:23,359
those people

1124
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:26,319
uh had binoculars and could tell me that

1125
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:28,880
it was a plastic bag and a little frame

1126
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:30,720
with a candle inside

1127
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,319
he told me where it came down and i

1128
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:34,560
checked the busher country club

1129
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:37,280
and i talked to the fire chief and yes

1130
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:39,839
they were not about to go public with it

1131
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:41,680
the reason being they didn't want every

1132
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:43,359
kid in the neighborhood to try to do

1133
00:41:46,829 --> 00:41:45,839
that their fire hazard it gets very dry

1134
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:46,839
in los

1135
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:49,040
angeles this was like in march and uh

1136
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:49,920
you know

1137
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:52,240
so what i'm saying though is a little

1138
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:53,119
effort

1139
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,760
to get more responses from people

1140
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,599
really made a difference and it's like

1141
00:42:02,230 --> 00:41:59,520
the america's most wanted television

1142
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:02,240
program right you got enough people

1143
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:04,720
looking there's a you greatly increase

1144
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:06,720
the chance of somebody finding the guy

1145
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,240
you're looking for

1146
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:10,400
i mean going up and down your own street

1147
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:13,119
isn't going to do you much

1148
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:15,119
so a movie

1149
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:19,839
uh could help do that and so or a media

1150
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:22,240
person who really wanted to

1151
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:24,079
do it

1152
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:30,470
but you see what i'm saying that right

1153
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:33,839
the data is there i know it's there

1154
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:34,800
uh

1155
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,359
and people are reluctant but if you make

1156
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:39,680
the circumstances correct

1157
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:42,160
uh they would like to see this mystery

1158
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:43,359
solved

1159
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,800
and there's something else that's

1160
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:46,400
happened

1161
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:48,400
drastically changed

1162
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:51,440
the kepler uh satellite

1163
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:54,480
now people planets yeah yeah climate

1164
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:56,640
remember 40 years ago we didn't know any

1165
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,839
other planets what do you mean there's

1166
00:43:01,829 --> 00:42:59,520
nobody out there there's no planets out

1167
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:01,839
there well what i mean is we can't see

1168
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:04,960
any out there whatever anyway it's only

1169
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:06,720
looking at a small chunk of the sky if

1170
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:08,880
you hold your arm at arm's length and

1171
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:10,240
make a fist

1172
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:12,800
that covers the area of the sky it's

1173
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:14,000
looking at

1174
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:15,680
they can't turn around and look all over

1175
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:17,839
the place they want on the basis of the

1176
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,880
data they've already uh obtained

1177
00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:22,560
they're not talking about there might be

1178
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:24,839
a hundred

1179
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:27,839
billion planets in our galaxy

1180
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:30,800
a hundred billion now frank drake of the

1181
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:33,119
seti effort silly effort to investigate

1182
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,480
a ct on you know uh was saying a few

1183
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,319
years back that there might be as many

1184
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:40,720
as 8 000 places in the galaxy that could

1185
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,720
be sending radio signals that's why

1186
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:44,160
anybody would send a signal to a

1187
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:46,480
primitive society like ours which has

1188
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:48,800
only had radio for 120 years i have no

1189
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:52,160
idea using technology appropriate to us

1190
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:53,680
i mean i don't know that's a slide rule

1191
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:54,640
anymore

1192
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:55,839
you know uh

1193
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:58,480
most of us don't use vacuum tube radios

1194
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,520
anymore

1195
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:01,440
if we were a thousand years advanced we

1196
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:03,040
probably won't be using radio signals

1197
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,640
anymore either

1198
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:06,480
that's right yeah that's right so but

1199
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:08,079
the whole point is that people are now

1200
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:09,920
saying geez there's got to be a lot of

1201
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:11,440
guys out there

1202
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:13,280
you know not just us

1203
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:15,680
and what what has happened is we've gone

1204
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:16,800
from

1205
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:19,520
ptolemy who said the earth is the center

1206
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:22,319
of the universe and all the planets and

1207
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:23,520
stars

1208
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,280
revolve around the earth

1209
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:26,880
and you can go outside and see how

1210
00:44:33,230 --> 00:44:30,319
they're moving around us kinship anyway

1211
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:33,240
along comes copernicus

1212
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:34,800
1543

1213
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:37,839
and he said nope nope sorry the sun is

1214
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,880
the middle

1215
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:40,800
uh the earth then the other planets go

1216
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:42,079
around the sun now he had the good

1217
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:43,599
fortune to die the year in which he

1218
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:45,680
published that book so he wasn't burned

1219
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:48,400
at the strike a few years later giordano

1220
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:51,520
bruno was the church banned his book for

1221
00:44:55,349 --> 00:44:53,359
300 years

1222
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:55,359
because man was the center of the

1223
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:57,119
universe and the churches at the top of

1224
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:58,240
the heap

1225
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,040
well now we realize that copernicus

1226
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:03,359
wasn't right either

1227
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:04,720
uh

1228
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:06,079
and so

1229
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:09,280
our insignificance is coming into the

1230
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,480
fore

1231
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:12,319
a matter of fact in the brookings study

1232
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:14,960
done way back in like 1960

1233
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:18,000
impact of contact with extraterrestrials

1234
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:19,119
they said one of the groups that would

1235
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:21,440
be most impacted would be the engineers

1236
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:23,280
and scientists who's

1237
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:24,880
you know being at the top of the heap

1238
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:26,400
suddenly is kind of

1239
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,839
not very

1240
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:29,520
appropriate

1241
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:32,400
and i think they're right uh arrogance

1242
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:34,319
and ignorance that's what i find when i

1243
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:35,520
deal with the

1244
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:37,520
the noisy negativist

1245
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:39,280
now do you think uh do you think a lot

1246
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,960
of that uh you know i thought about this

1247
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,640
do you think a lot of that has to do

1248
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:45,119
that there's no grants available for

1249
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,640
research in ufology or any of that

1250
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:50,640
well that's part of it and they're

1251
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:52,480
afraid of losing their grants there have

1252
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:55,040
been a dozen phd theses done on the

1253
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:56,640
subject although you'll never hear that

1254
00:46:02,790 --> 00:45:59,200
from many of them i've seen negativists

1255
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:02,800
uh i think a lot of it has to do i've

1256
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:05,200
given a it's a new disease i call it the

1257
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:07,839
david suskind syndrome remember david he

1258
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:10,079
was a talk show host

1259
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:12,319
many years ago in early 70s he called me

1260
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:14,319
in california they brought me to new

1261
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,160
york he wanted me to find him a good

1262
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:18,480
abductee i got him betty hill

1263
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:20,720
a good skeptic well there aren't anybody

1264
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:23,119
here's how to reach phil class

1265
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:25,119
and they wanted a bunch of me to send a

1266
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:26,720
bunch of stuff i did all that stuff they

1267
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,240
brought me to new york stayed over one

1268
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:30,640
night in the course of taping segments

1269
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:33,680
for the show i had some good people on

1270
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:34,400
uh

1271
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:38,560
you know i read the new york times

1272
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:39,920
there's nothing there that says these

1273
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:42,079
things are real so i defined it as the

1274
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:44,880
david suskin syndrome first i take great

1275
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:46,960
pride in keeping up on what's really

1276
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:49,920
important in the world that's my job

1277
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:52,319
uh if it's important i know about it if

1278
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:54,160
aliens were visiting

1279
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:55,680
and the government was covering it that

1280
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,839
would be important everybody grants that

1281
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:59,280
but if it were true i would know about

1282
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:00,800
it and i don't so it must not be i'm not

1283
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:02,640
going to waste my time

1284
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:05,280
uh finding out about this non-existent

1285
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:06,480
subject

1286
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:10,079
and so i find that with people uh with

1287
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,079
the ancient academics and fossilized

1288
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:14,160
physicists as i call them

1289
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:16,160
that they haven't done their homework

1290
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:18,079
they're not willing to do homework

1291
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:19,760
they're totally unaware

1292
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:21,280
and they really

1293
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:23,520
say some stupid things i i just did a

1294
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:26,480
radio talk show debate at coast to coast

1295
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,559
with dr michael shermer head of the

1296
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:30,400
skeptic society

1297
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:32,319
uh three hours we had been on one of

1298
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:34,640
those larry king shows and then

1299
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:36,319
he'd been on with

1300
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:39,599
uh george murray before so he set it up

1301
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:41,680
and he starts off by saying

1302
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:43,520
look the explanation is very

1303
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:45,280
straightforward for all these crazy

1304
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:47,839
strange phenomena there's a residue

1305
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:49,359
effect

1306
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:51,599
five percent can't be identified

1307
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:53,599
whatever it is just because there isn't

1308
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:54,960
enough data

1309
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:56,720
boy that gave me a hole i could drive a

1310
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:57,920
truck through

1311
00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:00,480
so i did i pointed out blue book special

1312
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:03,440
report 14 you know 21.5

1313
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:05,760
the condon report 30 percent according

1314
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:07,760
to a subcommittee of the american

1315
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:11,040
institute of aeronautics and astronaut

1316
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:13,119
astronautics uh

1317
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,599
dick calls the ufo evidence 17 percent

1318
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:19,680
and it was downhill for them we took a

1319
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:21,440
vote at the end i got eighty percent of

1320
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:24,880
them all he didn't know anything well

1321
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:25,760
uh

1322
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:27,520
now when i was on with seth shostak

1323
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:30,880
who's a more personable guy we admit on

1324
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:32,720
the queen elizabeth ii he gave three

1325
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:35,920
lectures on a its last westward voyage

1326
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,520
from southampton

1327
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:39,839
uh kind of a kick but

1328
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:42,960
anyway uh when i gave my lecture i asked

1329
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:44,960
again who had read this that you know

1330
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:46,559
thing and he didn't raise his hand for

1331
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:47,680
anything

1332
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:51,200
so i won that debate too it was 57

1333
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:52,640
uh

1334
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:55,280
34

1335
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:58,079
and nine i guess that heads up uh

1336
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:01,440
yeah 999 or 9 undecided you mean

1337
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:03,440
undecided yeah

1338
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,160
and i'm waiting now now i must admit

1339
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:08,880
that many months uh years later

1340
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:11,280
i had contacted seth and asked if i

1341
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:12,880
could send him a copy of my book find

1342
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:15,280
saucers in science and he said yes

1343
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:18,559
so on the radio he got asked and he well

1344
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:20,319
he did have a copy of my book on his

1345
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:24,870
but

1346
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:26,960
that's the problem on

1347
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,599
you you get the city people

1348
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:31,920
saying there is no evidence for ufos

1349
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:33,680
they never refer to any of these five

1350
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:36,079
large-scale scientific studies and the

1351
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:37,680
crazy thing is

1352
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:40,720
seti has provided not one wick of

1353
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:43,200
evidence that there's anybody out there

1354
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:45,839
sending radio signals to us

1355
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:48,640
uh it's not a bit we're supposed to take

1356
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:50,160
that

1357
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:52,400
in faith i guess

1358
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:54,559
and you know like i said why would they

1359
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:57,200
do that everybody knows that columbus

1360
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:58,960
didn't send smoke signals to the natives

1361
00:50:03,670 --> 00:49:59,920
did he

1362
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,680
well the irony of of this would be is if

1363
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:05,200
you know a small part of the government

1364
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:06,319
as you say

1365
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:10,079
uh made have known since 1947 why said

1366
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:12,319
he would come into existence to begin

1367
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:14,559
with well because there are people who

1368
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:16,400
want research grants

1369
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:19,440
it sounds glorious carl sagan was

1370
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:22,720
a big proponent of city carl and i went

1371
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:24,800
to the university of chicago at the same

1372
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:26,079
time spent three years in the same

1373
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:27,520
classes

1374
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:30,880
and uh in his congressional testimony

1375
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:33,119
well in several places

1376
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:34,480
he has said there are interesting

1377
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:36,319
sightings that aren't reliable they're

1378
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:37,839
reliable sightings that aren't

1379
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:40,000
interesting but there are no interesting

1380
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:41,680
and reliable settings no references

1381
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:43,920
given for this totally false claim

1382
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:45,839
because in blue book special report 14

1383
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:48,319
they evaluated reliability they found

1384
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:50,079
the more reliable the site the more

1385
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:52,720
likely to be unexplainable

1386
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,280
but nobody except me pointed that out

1387
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:58,079
so the setting community has a serious

1388
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:00,160
problem with ufos

1389
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:02,960
and with an understanding

1390
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:04,000
of how

1391
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:07,599
society works that's not their long suit

1392
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,240
there was one guy uh who says you know

1393
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:12,640
aliens could determine that our

1394
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:14,960
co2 level has increased on this planet

1395
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:18,000
they may be very perturbed about that

1396
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,240
and i'm sitting there what

1397
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:22,400
you know this is a society

1398
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:27,599
that has exploded 2 000 nuclear weapons

1399
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:29,359
2 000 only two of them are people

1400
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:33,040
fortunately i'm very grateful yeah but

1401
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:34,800
in terms of the larger scheme of things

1402
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:36,559
in a local neighborhood there are two

1403
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:38,400
implications of that

1404
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:40,160
one is

1405
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:42,240
that you could build a propulsion system

1406
00:51:48,309 --> 00:51:45,680
using nuclear energy which is true

1407
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,319
we have incidentally just for kicks we

1408
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:50,400
have aircraft carriers that nuclear

1409
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:52,400
fission that can operate for 18 years

1410
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:55,280
without refueling me that's very

1411
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:56,720
impressive to me

1412
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:59,359
now the second implication of that

1413
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:00,960
is that we're obviously a primitive

1414
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:03,040
society whose major activity is tribal

1415
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,960
warfare

1416
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,720
all right right nobody out there would

1417
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:08,640
want us out there of course they got to

1418
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:10,880
keep tabs on the idiots here yeah the

1419
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:12,800
virus says someone put it

1420
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:14,400
we're like the virus they don't want us

1421
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,599
out yeah

1422
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:17,520
yeah i mean maybe we're a penal colony

1423
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:19,119
they dumped all the bad boys and girls

1424
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:20,720
here and that's why we're so nasty to

1425
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:21,680
each other

1426
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:23,119
when you go to australia incidentally

1427
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:24,960
they take pride in their convict

1428
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,680
ancestors that's right hey hey stan i

1429
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:29,760
mentioned this on a previous uh podcast

1430
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:31,599
and i don't want to belabor the fact but

1431
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:34,800
i did speak with someone years ago that

1432
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:38,000
was supposedly involved in vietnam

1433
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:40,480
and studying ufos for the for the

1434
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:42,079
government

1435
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:45,040
and he was my insurance agent

1436
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:47,839
and his his thing that he said is that

1437
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:50,160
we're the government's concluded that

1438
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:51,760
we're a petri dish

1439
00:52:55,349 --> 00:52:53,760
and have you ever heard anything like

1440
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:55,359
that before

1441
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:59,280
i kind of like that analogy no

1442
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:01,599
where's fleming discovered uh

1443
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:03,839
penicillin that way kind of by seeing

1444
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:05,760
some strange things happen

1445
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:08,480
uh who knows i mean in in my book my

1446
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:10,160
classes inside there's a whole chapter

1447
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:12,559
on the why questions

1448
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:15,680
there's a piece on my website too

1449
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:18,800
uh you know why would aliens come here i

1450
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:21,920
think i could give 22 maybe 23 i don't

1451
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:24,319
know reasons for coming here

1452
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:26,000
they're broadcasters of the weekly show

1453
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:27,440
what are you seeing the moon docks you

1454
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:29,119
know it's the honeymoon capital of this

1455
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:30,960
corner of the galaxy they're being

1456
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:32,880
punished spent two weeks near earth boy

1457
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:34,559
you better get your next assignment

1458
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:36,720
right

1459
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:38,960
and but also and let's be a little more

1460
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:40,160
pragmatic

1461
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:42,640
uh it turns out the earth is the densest

1462
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:44,800
planet in the solar system i mean the

1463
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:47,680
people i mean which

1464
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,599
a cubic foot of earth weighs more than a

1465
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:51,440
cubic foot of any other planet in our

1466
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:53,680
solar system and the normal response is

1467
00:53:57,990 --> 00:53:55,359
so what's there

1468
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:58,000
well that means we got more very heavy

1469
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:59,520
metals

1470
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:01,280
things like uranium gold tungsten

1471
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:03,040
rhenium platinum

1472
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:05,599
people think heavy is lit well osmium is

1473
00:54:09,910 --> 00:54:08,400
twice as heavy as red

1474
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:09,920
and these are rare in the universe they

1475
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:11,920
have very special properties

1476
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:14,240
so they may have been mining them

1477
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:16,000
uh for all we know and one reason they

1478
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:17,680
don't want us to have a nuclear war is

1479
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:19,280
we'd make it hard for them to do their

1480
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:21,839
mining you know

1481
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:24,000
and also we're the only planet that's

1482
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:26,079
covered with water at this time

1483
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:28,800
well three quarters of it anyway

1484
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:30,240
and the bottom of the oceans have all

1485
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:31,839
kinds of goodies

1486
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:35,359
nodules and stuff that uh readily mined

1487
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,799
right and we have over a thousand

1488
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:38,400
reports of ufos

1489
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:41,359
uh unidentified submerged objects yeah

1490
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,240
which is

1491
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:44,160
amazing well i mean if they can do what

1492
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,960
they do anyway you know uh one of the

1493
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:48,720
one of the people that you debated was

1494
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:49,599
uh

1495
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:50,640
dr

1496
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:53,040
john alexander i believe it was

1497
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:55,760
and that was a crazy debate yeah um the

1498
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:58,640
moderator was throwing uh questions uh i

1499
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:00,960
guess he was a lawyer but uh one of the

1500
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:02,960
one of the things yeah yeah one of the

1501
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:04,079
things i

1502
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:07,040
liked what john said was uh i don't

1503
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,640
think we know what type of questions to

1504
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:10,480
ask and it was something that kind of

1505
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:13,200
made sense to me

1506
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:14,000
well

1507
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:14,960
yeah

1508
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:17,119
that was a crazy debate i found out that

1509
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:18,319
i was going to do that two minutes

1510
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:21,040
beforehand oh no it was supposed to be

1511
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,920
somebody else steve bassett and oh yeah

1512
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:25,200
and i was there

1513
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:26,960
and i had given a lecture and i had a

1514
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:29,119
vendor's table and stuff and somebody

1515
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:31,599
comes rushing stan we need you

1516
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:33,040
what for

1517
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:35,040
want to debate john well isn't steve

1518
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:36,799
doing that well he can't make it he's

1519
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:38,319
got some kind of a transportation

1520
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:43,990
okay i read john's book

1521
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:46,559
i had heard him on coast to coast the

1522
00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:49,119
night or two nights before maybe

1523
00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:50,799
and so i was willing to take him on

1524
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:52,480
because he made a lot of mistakes in his

1525
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:56,079
book and i'm ready to point those out

1526
00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:58,480
and you know he's come up he's the

1527
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:00,640
ultimate insider he worked on all kinds

1528
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:02,640
of classified programs had high level

1529
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:03,760
clearances

1530
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:05,680
and he says he and his buddies checked

1531
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:07,680
all around washington thinking that

1532
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:09,760
they'd find the secret group that was

1533
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:11,599
doing the important stuff

1534
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:13,200
they couldn't find anybody so there must

1535
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:14,960
not be any such group and roswell

1536
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:18,079
probably didn't happen and no mj 12 and

1537
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:20,240
you know i tried folks

1538
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:22,720
and i i had to point out a lot of things

1539
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:24,319
wrong what he said in his book he got

1540
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:27,359
the facts wrong about mj 12 and a lot of

1541
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:28,720
other things

1542
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:31,680
uh it was a strange debate i i shouldn't

1543
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:34,799
look at the i have a video i guess a dvd

1544
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:36,480
of that but uh

1545
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:39,200
the moderator did most of the control of

1546
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:41,280
everything

1547
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:43,200
he was really pushing him well stan

1548
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:45,119
thank you so much you'll be back for

1549
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:47,440
part two i really appreciate it

1550
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:49,119
and thank you so much for joining us